Small Business Owner Stripped of US POW/MIA Flags

(OCCUPY POLICE)   This has got to be one of the saddest things I’ve seen lately. Chucktown Tavern owners Hope and Marty Young have been told plainly that they can no longer fly both the American and POW/MIA flags in front of their business.

Last October, around the time Occupy was laying it’s roots and celebrating unity and marching against abusive control by the worlds greedy 1%, Chucktown tavern owners Hope and Marty Young were having a mini celebration of their own. In honor of local veterans, Hope and Marty Young were raising both the US and POW/MIA flags in front of the small Tavern they run on Market St in Charleston South Carolina. says, about 10 people showed for the low-key flag-raising,  among the attendees was Vietnam vet Allen James, a member of the Lowcountry Chapter of Vietnam Veterans of America, which supplied the replacement flags. “It’s just something that I’ve always had a heart for,” said James, 62, of West Ashley. He served in the Army in Vietnam from 1970 to 1972 and is friends with the Youngs. He said the tavern was an ideal area with a lot of foot traffic, and that tourists and locals could see a banner that doesn’t get a lot of visibility or promotion. “I just thought that, the (POW/MIA) flag needed to be flown in downtown Charleston,” he said.

Chucktown Tavern owners came under attack by another local business for what property management company Beach Co. says are considered to be improper signs, mismatched deck furniture and noise issues, and further stated  that Chucktown Tavern had 20 days to make corrections or face what was termed, landlord “remedies.” Beach Management, a division of the Beach Co., further stated that the flags were not “authorized” and that the green banners that had been on Market Street flag poles need to go back.

To Occupy Police, it sounds as if Beach Co. thinks The American and POW/MIA flags (and all they represent) are “ugly” and not uniform with the rest of the street “decor” – Beach Co. did offer up this statement “We in no way intend to disrespect the country we love, veterans or those military personnel taken as prisoners of war or listed as missing in action,”  Yes Beach Co, of course you meant no disrespect, unless the flying of these 2 prized flags  somehow effects your bottom line. Maybe we should fly a nazi flag, or whatever better suits Beach Co. CEO John Darby’s 1% taste …and wallet.  John Darby says “the original green flags are what the Board of Architectural Review permit was granted on. The more “festive” green banners are designed to fit the retail shopping on Market Street”, he further states that “he doesn’t see the patriotic flags going back up”  …but…  Planning Director Tim Keane said Wednesday that “both banners are legal under the city code because they aren’t commercial in nature.” He called them “just fine.”

Marty Young said he and flag supporters plan to send a letter to the Beach Co., asking it to reconsider. His suggested solution is to put the two flags back up, along with a city of Charleston flag and a state of South Carolina flag, so that it all becomes one single locally relevant display. Occupy Police would like to help Chucktown Tavern get these flags back up. We’re planning a day of action (protest) against Beach Co. and are asking for any and all Occupy, or Veteran groups in the Charleston area to help us put this together. Contact us by e-mail at  so we can coordinate and put you in touch with an OcPo contact in the area – The day of action will take place at Beach Company Headquarters, 211 King St Charleston, SC on Saturday April 28th  at noon. We will be protesting on behalf of the owners right to fly these 2 flags – We will not allow the 1% to strip us of our wealth and our flags – Please spread this information far and wide –

3 Responses to Small Business Owner Stripped of US POW/MIA Flags

  • This is the inevitable result of big government usurpations of citizens’ rights. In a collectivist system citizens are constantly using the government to attack others and deny them their rights. Collectivism is tyranny.

    There are also plenty of people in this country who wish to cover up the fact that government officials abandoned the M.I.A. soldiers to their fate without recovering those who were still alive and in captivity.

  • John Darby, President and CEO of The Beach Company met with Mayor Riley and City officials and suggested that a more permanent and prominent location, such as a “public land” be dedicated to our Veterans, POWs and MIAs. And the City has now agreed to construct a permanent memorial on the Charleston Peninsula. This is great news and the thanks belongs to John DArby of the Beach Company and all the Vets at Chucktown Tavern!

  • Post and Courier, The (Charleston, SC)

    January 8, 2013
    Section: Metro
    Page: 1

    Flag-waving tavern must find new digs
    Restaurants and bars open and close all the time. Keeping one open requires the perfect mix of food, atmosphere and service.

    For Hope and Marty Young, that perfect mix has been working for them at Chucktown Tavern, 159 Market St. in the Majestic Square center in downtown Charleston. It’s where people gather for food and drinks, to sing karaoke and to hear bands.
    But that’s likely to come to an end in a few months, unless they can relocate.
    Officially, it’s because of what the Youngs said was an unmanageable rent increase. And that’s valid enough in this still-recovering economy.
    But no matter what the official word is, the impression will be that they left because of the so-called flag flap.
    Permission vs. forgiveness
    To recap: The Youngs sought permission to fly a POW-MIA flag and an American flag on two of four flagpoles outside the bar in fall 2011. In October 2011 the bar hosted a flag-raising ceremony with local Vietnam veteran Allen James and others. Everything was fine, until March 2012, when representatives from their landlord, The Beach Co., told them to remove the flags. Some back-and-forth followed.
    On April 2 a Beach Co. representative removed the flags.
    Now, The Beach Co. was protecting its, er, assets. When their application with Charleston’s BAR was approved, it stated that there would be "banner-type flag with non-type commercial messages, (i.e. no message at all), per plans." The POW-MIA flag does have, well, type on it: the letters POW MIA and the phrase "You are not forgotten!"
    But when the Youngs contacted the city, officials there said they didn’t have a problem with the flags.

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