Netherlands to Close Prisons: Not Enough Criminals

(Bruce Mirken)   For years prohibitionists, including our own Drug Enforcement Administration, have claimed — falsely — that the tolerant marijuana policies of the Netherlands have made that nation a nest of crime and drug abuse. They may have trouble wrapping their little brains around this:

The Dutch government is getting ready to close eight prisons because they don’t have enough criminals to fill them. Officials attribute the shortage of prisoners to a declining crime rate.

Just for fun, let’s compare the Netherlands to California. With a population of 16.6 million, the Dutch prison population is about 12,000. With its population of 36.7 million, California should have a bit more than double the Dutch prison population. California’s actual prison population is 171,000.

So, whose drug policies are keeping the streets safer?

http://blog.mpp.org/prohibition/netherlands-to-close-prisons-not-enough-criminals/05262009/

8 Responses to Netherlands to Close Prisons: Not Enough Criminals

  • Reply from the Netherlands.

    Also we have a very low harddrug abuse in the Netherlands unlike coutries like the US and UK where the softdrug policies are very strict.
    Heroine addaction is a thing of the past and is only common under the leftover hippies from the seventies and early eighties while in the UK it is a very popular drug in wich marihuana is used as a steppingstone drug. The heroine from the fields in Afghanistan finds its way from Turkey trough Western Europe into the UK and to the US.

    In the Netherlands we have no abuse of drugs like christal meth or the other cheap to get drugs and we look in wonder in how the American society is riddled with it.

    This doesn’t mean that the Dutch don’t have a problem at all. We see that more and more young teenagers in the ages between 11 to 18 get hooked on the high grade Nederwiet (weed) and that drugclinics are taking more and younger patients every year with a serious addiction.

    Another problem is the drugtourism. Thousends of tourists who only come to Holland to score drugs and don’t respect the liberal druglaws of our country, laws who only aply to our country and not our surrounding countries. These laws make other Europeans think Holland is some kind of drug Walhalla in wich anything goes and that every dutch citizen smokes some pot before he goes to bed at night and instead of drinking coffee we drink tea made from hashies.
    Most people in Holland do not use drugs, sell drug or endorse drugs of any kind because we realise they are drugs and that is the most positive thing about our liberal laws, it gives us awareness that drugs are not all that it seems to be.
    There is no mystery, they are just drugs that if not taken seriously can do you more harm than good when in the wrong hands aka the drug criminals.

  • The largest part of American prison population is negroid! Not a problem in Amsterdam! Europe is less susceptible to America’s sell-out, hard-ass, do or die, Capitalist unemployment situation. Is there a clue here? The American Dollar is failing daily, falling in value so fast as to render the working class defenseless, insecure, without valid savings, and poor. The lower classes of America, usually Blacks, Hispanics, under-educated whites have little hope of redemption and live very much lower on the pegs of life than any European, no matter the color!
    Face it! Americans march to a different tune, to a different piper, and the tune he plays lately has a lot of sour notes in it.
    America as we knew it has failed miserably. American style barracuda Capitalism does not serve the nation, does not serve the people. does not support a fair and just democracy. The American Dream of the movies is now being realized for what it was: Capitalist, Corporatist, propaganda to extract the maximum from the peons, the proletariat, the patriot,the working class, for the benefit of the Uber-Rich. Americans are standing by, in bemused puzzlement, as the banksters bulldoze McMansions in one place, build new ones in another, while the unemployables of America dwell in tent cities, tenement housing, shanty towns, receiving food stamps from a broken, limping, government. America is dying – it is being gobbled up by democracy’s worst disease, unbridled Corporatism, Capitalism, even from across the seas! the Chinese Corporatist’s are buying up parts of America as we speak!
    Jailing the unemployables for the crime of seeking solace in pot’s sweet smoke will soon cease in America. California’s government seeks to tax these individuals for their pleasures, for a return that will employ even more white shirt and tie, over-lords of the remains of a once great nation.
    The Netherlands has none of these social problems and should not be compared in any way with the death of America and those caught up in her funeral processions.

  • Drugs are like sex lots of it about but I never seem to get any (BA 2). Seriously though, drugs make so much money it will always be controlled by the elites. The Netherlands is one of the few countries left in the world and especially in the European Social Engineering Project that is the EU, that still seems to have a government that runs the country just a little in favour of its people. Whereas, Britain and the US governments amongst many others run their countries in favour of anything but the people.

    I have never tried marijuana, my drug of choice used to be alcohol and intermittently nicotine. I have abstained from them both for a number of years having decided that clarity, awareness and intent were required to understand why elected poltroons continue to criminally – in my view – mismanage money I/we have to give them. Well, I found out why thanks in part to Erich, David, Jim, Alex, Anthony, William, Eustace, Mr. Coleman and several others.

    As far as drugs tourism is concerned the Netherlands is a victim of her own success.

  • Uncle B, Sorry you have that backwards. It’s not Capitalism that is to blame rather the socialistic trends creeping into our system. Let’s look at the black prison problem. It’s the lack of hope and structure for most of these people. And who do they follow? Well, they have voted over 90% liberal (socialist) for years now. And look at the black so-called leaders like racist Sharpton or Jackson the embezzler. Why do the Chinese or other Asians come to the US with no money but stay out of prison and succeed within the American system. Why are blacks enslaved into the welfare system when you don’t see that with other groups? Uncle B, before your mount runs a muck, I would try to figure out the REAL reason instead of spouting the same old socialist talking points.

    I do agree that we should eliminate most non violent prison time. And I think that will happen. But try to figure out what’s really going on. I’ll claim that it is Liberalism/Progressive-ism that is destroying America. Capitalism works. It always has. It’s when government starts getting involved when times turn sour. Reagan was right, Government is our biggest problem. Europe’s biggest problem too.

  • @Thos Weatherby: There are a few issues you seem to be overlooking or you have misconstrued. First of all, if these impoverished black families have ANYTHING it is hope. They have hope that they can make it paycheck to paycheck working in the same dead-end job for years to come because they have very little opportunity to advance. We don’t only see blacks in the welfare system, and statistically it has been proven that an incredibly low percentage (a little over 1%) of people are ever dependent on welfare for more than a year. We do see a similar number of people on welfare year after year, though it is not always the same families on welfare year after year.

    And as far as your last statement goes, all I really feel like telling you is to build a time machine and head into the past because you don’t belong here. You say that liberalism and PROGRESS is destroying America and that Capitalism has always worked and the government getting involved turns times sour – I say that you and your corporate monopoly on politics are the real terrorists. You’re probably between 50-70 years old, you’ve lived the same routine all your life, you haven’t been to school in 40 years, and the only connection you still have with society is in your bank account. Your ideas are old, out-dated, irrelevant, and destructive. It’s time for you to be put in the ground.

    Does sending humanity back to the dark ages make you hard? Are your children all grown up? Are you expected to pass in the next 5-10 years? If so, quit voting. Your time is up. You’re only ruining it for the rest of us.

  • Agree with the above, capatalism exists for the benefit of the rich, which is kinda why we have this class system of being way OTT in keeping people down, like the lower classes or those who have done petty crime. There seems to be a lack of common sense in a capitalist world, & it seems to be based loosely on religion. The underclasses find it increasingly difficult to better themselves (jobs, the housing market) whilst the rich get richer, others are being turned towards crime by this. If it is something that is frowned upon, say, a petty crime like soft drugs, then these people can be swept under the carpet, because it is frowned upon by the corrupt moral values of the greedy / corrupt upper classes. Until the corrupt greedy upper classes realise how immoral they themselves have become, this downward spiral will contineue. Capitalism based on christian (or other corrupt religious) values = corruption.

  • Our problem is that every criminal from around the world tries to move to either NorCal or SoCal. No one wants to live ANYWHERE in Euro!

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